Seattle’s Worst Podcast
[10] Spencer from Space!

[10] Spencer from Space!

October 26, 2018

Spencer from Seattle talks Space

We had a cosmic conversation with Spencer Anunsen (first time guest, long time listener), who is a mechanical engineer at Synchronous. Synchronous is a company doing work in the space industry whose website boasts the tagline, “building the barely possible”.

Spencer talks building trebuchets, is actually from Seattle, and has great taste in beer.

We talked with him at length about his childhood in Seattle (how weird!), his work with the Mars Curiosity Rover project as an intern at Jet Propulsion Laboratories, the privatized space industry, the point of mining asteroids, billionaires and their rockets, future space missions and much, much more. It was a hell of a time.

Spencer ONLINE


Also if you want to tell us about all the questions you would ask Spencer, we’d love to hear them or forward them on. Just write to us at


See more links in the show minutes.

Hayabusa 2 Twitter:

Spacecraft my company (Synchronous) is contributing to:

Scott Manley Youtube:

Space News Sites:


Show Notes

Podcasters (Stephen, Sean, Grant, Ben)

2m - Intro

4m - Old Business

5m - Sean is Having a Baby/Full Term at the Midterms

7m - Anxiety Level: Carseat

8m - Kavanaugh

9m - S Blocks the News

13m - KBF

15m - Men Need to be Afraid

18m - Space!

19m - Grant Does a Dramatic Reading – Some People are Saying It's the Best, Big League

24m - Trebuchets

29m - Careers in Space

30m - Book Recommendation – Roving Mars

34m - Book Recommendation – Sex & Rockets

37m - Rovers in Movies

38m - Working on Curiosity

47m - The Stress of Watching a Project Launch

51m - Grant’s Dating Space Program

53m - Asteroid Mining

55m - Startup Culture

58m - Spencer's Work was Featured on the Daily Show

62m - Privatized Space Industry financial models

66m - Upcoming Space Missions - What Mission Should We Follow?

73m - Stephen Edits/F Tesla

74m - The Garage

75m - Who Gets Paid? Why Spend Money in Space?

76m - Decadal Survey

78m - Private Space Companies/Public Space Relies on Private Industry

83m - Failure as a Positive Permission Structure

84m - Insane Copper Rod Project

87m - The Space Garbage Island/Space is Cluttered AF

92m - Spencer Goes Deep on our Podcast Space Project

95m - Radiation in Space

97m - Some People Say MIT is the UMR of the East

101m - Mushrooms/Paul Stamets

104m - Is Space an Earth-Friendly Industry?

106m - Initiative 1631: Yes

107m - What to Say to a Person Who Thinks Space Exploration is Worthless

110m - Resources for Following Space Stuff

Special Acknowledgements/Mentions

  • RIP Paul Allen


  • It was incorrectly stated that Orbital-ATK was bought by Lockheed-Martin (46th minute) when it was actually bought by Northrop-Grumman

Hashtag City

#Seattle #SPACE #EuropaClipper #SpaceForce #billionaires #trebuchets #MarsRover #Curiosity #Mars2020 #PaulStamets #mushrooms #CarbonTax #PrivatizedSpace #Kavanaugh #Kavanope #Birth #Paternity #FirstChild #DramaticReading #RovingMars #SexAndRockets #DailyShow #SpacePioneers #NeilDeGrasseTyson #NDT #Tesla #SpaceGarbage #YesOn1631 #PlanetaryResources #SynchronousLLC #JPL #JetPropulsionLab #NASA #RPI #Rensselaer

[09] Urban Family Brewing - Community Focused, Innovative Beer

[09] Urban Family Brewing - Community Focused, Innovative Beer

October 9, 2018

Thank you to Urban Family Brewing for letting us hang out with them! We had an awesome time.

Urban Family is a whole new brewery from when it opened boasting the same great name. We talked about Andy’s journey in taking it over with Isaac, essentially rebooting the brewery. We talked beer (of course), distribution, brewing, community, and creativity.

From their website:

We’re a small craft brewery located in the Magnolia neighborhood of Seattle. We have an eclectic focus on creating beer and strive constantly for innovation. You may not see the same beer every time you visit but we try to utilize fresh ingredients, complex yeast strains, and interesting hop profiles.

We were founded on the principles of creating something as a family. Working together to make beer that represents who we are, and what we love. We may not all be related, but family is what you make it.

They did not brew the same beer twice in 2017!

Furthermore, we ate cheese together.

Also, Patrick is a marine biologist, he wants a centrifuge, and he hates the music you listened to in high school.


Urban Family Brewing

Urban Family Brewing on Facebook

Urban Family Brewing on Twitter

Urban Family Brewing on Instagram

Show Notes

Podcasters (Ben, Sean, Stephen, Nic the sound guy, and special beer correspondent Matthew Brady)

Guests(Andy the general manager, Isaac the head brewer, Patrick the barrel manager)

4m - Same name, New Brewery

6m - Isaac, from New Belgium

11m - Magnolia

14m - Distribution

16m - A Specific Model

19m - We Brew What We Like to Drink/Didn’t Brew The Same Thing Twice in 2017!

23m - Restaurants/Beer Bars/Handle Sharing

26m - How Do You Choose Your Next Beer?

29m - Experimentation

31m - If a Beer Fails

39M - The Difference Between Sour Programs/Beer Nerds, Tune in Here

46m - Willoughby Cheese!/Jasper Hills Farm from Greensboro Bend, Vermont

48m - Hill Farmstead - One of the Best Breweries in the US?

50m - Charcuterie/Saltblade/Beer Sausage Coming Soon! (Oct 20th)

52m - Brewing Schedules/How Much Beer Does a Brewery Employee Drink?

58m - What Does a Master Brewer Drink at Home? The Answer Will Surprise You

61m - Evolution of Beer Drinking/Sours are Their Own Path

72m - Art Labels

76m - Best Music to Brew Beer to

79m - A One-Star Yelp Review

81m - Community

86m - What Does Urban Family Mean?

90m - Rising Tide/Spread the Love

92m - How Does Budweiser Help Craft Breweries?

Special Acknowledgements/Mentions

Chuck’s Hop Shop

Skookum Brewing

Cloudburst (gets mentioned constantly here, we should really go talk to those guys)

New Belgium

Salt Blade

Jasper Hills Farm

The Shambles


Willoughby Cheese, washed in Urban Family’s Perpetuation Sour by Jasper Hill Farm in Greensboro Bend, Vermont, available at PCC very soon (IT WAS DELICIOUS) - Distributed by Provvista

Beer Sausage done in collaboration with Salt Blade Artisan Cured Meat Makers available at the brewery on October 20th! (WE’RE POSITIVE IT WILL BE DELICIOUS)

Brut Rose available Thanksgiving! (hopefully) (WE IMAGINE IT WILL BE DELICIOUS)

Hashtag City

#Seattle #SeattleBeer #Breweries #Beer #SourBeer #UrbanFamily #Beermaking #foeder #stinkycheese #Magnolia

[08] Amy Margaret Runs the Jewels

[08] Amy Margaret Runs the Jewels

September 26, 2018

Amy Margaret Runs the Jewels

It was our pleasure to have on the delightful Amy Margaret - tailgater extraordinaire, Crimson Tide appreciator, creator and purveyor of beautiful jewelry, island person.

Originally an Alabaman, she now lives on Bainbridge Island, where everyone knows your name.

We talked about Grant’s love life, what it is like living on an island, how to start a jewelry business, community, the best way for hapless partners to buy pretty things for their wives, and ferries, among many other things.  

From her website:

Amy Margaret has been designing jewelry since she was a little girl and knew very early on that this was her calling. Born and raised in Alabama and now living on the West Coast, Amy Margaret, designs and handcrafts jewelry with a deep appreciation of nature and love of people. Her affinity for travel and culture comes through as she incorporates symbols of far eastern philosophy into her colorful and versatile pieces. Her designs shape metal and stone into artful reminders to be happy, stay grateful, and spread the love. These accessories are born from a desire to make every woman look and feel her best.

Links to relevant and important things:

Show Notes

Podcasters (Ben, Sean, Stephen, and Grant)

2m Ferry Life

5m Tailgating

7m Crimson Tide

9m Deacon Blues

13m Moving to Seattle

15m Bainbridge Island/Community

21m Bainbridge Island

26m Community

31m Jewelry Store

33m Entrepreneur

40m Tassels

41m Failure, Happiness

43m Grant is Like Our Analogy Guy

46m Greenlake Jewelers

49m The Best Jewelry Show

51m We all know what Lapidary means

55m How Do Men Buy Jewelry

61m Does Anyone Surprise Anyone with a Ring Anymore?

65m Marketing to Men

67m Buying Jewelry for New Relationships

70m Adorn, The Store

72m The Next Hot Jewelry Trend

73m Grant's Surprise Rapid Fire Round: Jewel, or Jeweler

77m Our Normal Beginning/Ben Affects the Real Estate Market

82m Feedback/Grant's Dating Corner

86m Our Podcast is Grant's Personal Sadness

89m Georgetown, a Little Stabby

93m Amy Margaret's Message to Humanity

Special Acknowledgements

What Does That Mean?

This inaugural edition of What Does That Mean?, we will explain the meaning of Alabama’s Crimson Tide.

Per Wikipedia:

“Early newspaper accounts of the university's football squad simply referred to them as the "varsity" or the "Crimson White". The first nickname popular with the media was the "Thin Red Line", which was used until 1906. Hugh Roberts, former sports editor of the Birmingham Age-Herald, is credited with coining the phrase "Crimson Tide" in an article describing the 1907 Iron Bowl played in Birmingham with Auburn a heavy favorite to win. The game was played in a sea of red mud which stained the Alabama white jerseys crimson. The headline for the article was "Crimson Tied", referring to the 6-6 tie Alabama had with Auburn, who had been heavily favored before the game.”

Per Steely Dan:

“They got a name for the winners in the world

I want a name when I lose

They call Alabama the Crimson Tide

Call me Deacon Blues”

Hashtag City

#Bainbridge #jewelry #AdornBainbridge #AmyMargaret #SteelyDan #DeaconBlues #CrimsonTide #UW #Huskies #tailgating #Georgetown #ferrylife

[07] Virginia Newman - Nutritional Therapist & Former Virginian

[07] Virginia Newman - Nutritional Therapist & Former Virginian

September 12, 2018

It was great to have Virginia on to talk about Health at Every Size (HAES), Intuitive Eating, weight loss and loving the bodies we're in. We learned a great deal and got a little vulnerable.

Virginia’s goal is for people to understand that health and well-being goes way beyond food intake and exercise. While it can feel great to go on a new diet, life happens and we fall off the wagon, leading to shame at our failure to keep it up.

She encourages clients to find the middle path, aiming for variety, adequacy, flexibility, and enjoyment in how they eat and exercise. Exercise should not be a job, but an expression of joy.

The frameworks from which she practices, HAES and Intuitive Eating, can encourage people to look at health and well-being through a wider lens, creating a better understanding of their own bodies and the way that they interact with themselves and the world.

Links to relevant and important things:


  • Association for Size Diversity and Health: Group that owns the HAES trademark, promoting health in all bodies and widening the definition of health.
  • Be Nourished: Portland clinic that trains clinicians and provides workshops for people interested in creating a peaceful relationship to their own bodies and finding a way of being that supports their overall wellbeing. Lots of resources here!
  • Creating Peace with Food: Virginia’s group practice, consisting of five Registered Dietitian Nutritionists and one Licensed Mental Health Therapist who work with Eating Disorders and Disordered Eating, Family and Pediatric Nutrition, and Sports Nutrition. Clinicians in Bellevue, Bothell, and Renton.
  • Ellen Sattyr Institute: Great resource for parents looking to create healthy relationship to food and body for their children. Outlines the Division of Responsibility in feeding, helping to guide parents towards nurturing competent eaters.
  • Rachel Cole: A coach whose work helps women to untangle what they are truly hungry for, resources for creating happy fulfilling relationships to food, body, and soul.   
  • Self-Compassion: Our health is impacted by our relationship to ourselves. How loud is our inner critic during stressful times? Kristin Neff’s research is in the field of self-compassion and how that can impact our lives in a positive way.

Show Notes

Podcasters (Ben, Sean, Grant, Stephen)

3m - Grant's Sports Hour/Clint Dempsey

6m - We Love The Seattle Storm

11m - Grant Plays Fantasy Football (Shamefully)

20m - Corgi Racing, Let’s Legalize It

22m - Virginia Listens to One Podcast (Is it ours?)

23m - Virginia Introduction

25m - Intro to HAES

28m - Virginia from Virginia

35m - Keto: A History

40m - The Weight Loss Industry and the BMI Lie

48m - Indoctrination vs Education

49m - Grant's Dating Corner, The College Years

51m - Racism vs Weight Shaming

53m - BMI: A History

55m - The Term “Obesity”

59m - Psychosomatic

60m - Anxiety and Health

63m - Alcohol and How Podcasts are Formed

68m - The Evolutionary Theory of Beer

69m - Dietary Guidelines

71m - Intuitive Eating/How is it Perceived?

74m - Shame - Is Moderation a Good Thing?

78m - Psychology/Seattle's Health Culture/Orthorexia

80m - Exercise/Dance Church

84m - HAES and Social Justice/How Do We Improve How We Talk About This?

89m - The Diet Industry/Eating Disorders

96m - Doctors

101m - A Checklist for a Big Complicated Picture

103m - One Thing You Wish People Knew

107m - And Another Thing

108m - Virginia Plugs Her Business

Special Acknowledgements


  • Sue Bird is not Larry Bird’s Mom

Hashtag City

#HAES #Healthateverysize #intuitiveeating #dieting #diet #weightloss

[06] Matt Brady & the Shambles: Beer, Food, & Community

[06] Matt Brady & the Shambles: Beer, Food, & Community

August 27, 2018


Tonight, we got to hang out with Matt Brady, co-owner of the Shambles. This new North Seattle haunt is a great community beer, butcher, and foodie hall in Maple Leaf. It enjoyed a three-month run as the #1 restaurant on Eater Seattle after its opening in January. We talk about food, beer, and Matt’s desire for the Shambles to be a community-centric hangout.

From the website:

The Shambles is Seattle’s neighborhood bar and butcher. We believe in local food, fresh beer, and sustainably sourced meat. We are bringing the farm to bar experience to the Seattle community with house-prepared meats, handcrafted sandwiches, and small plates made from the finest ingredients available.

Our wood filled bar serves classically inspired cocktails and the best beers in the Pacific Northwest. Our in-house butcher allows us to connect with small farmers and provide our restaurant with phenomenal steaks and chops, freshly prepared sausages, and house-cured charcuterie.

The menu changes with the seasons and reflects our commitment to all things natural, local, and delicious. Shop the select goods and charcuterie in our small market or relax in our cozy bar amongst friends.


Show Notes

2m - Intros

4m - Showbox, Growing Seattle

18m - Podcast Recommendations

23m - The Shambles: The Beginning

30m - Butcher Shop and Bar: What a Great Idea

31m - Where are My Brussel Sprouts?

35m - Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Seismic Engineering

40m - Maple Leaf

43m - Ben's Restaurant Rating System: A Guide

48m - Brewery Talk, Including the Best One You Didn't Know About

52m - Urban Family

54m - Sours: A Fad, Fresh Hop, Hazy IPAs

57m - NW vs NE IPAs and The Great Bitterness Wars

64m - Matt's Favorite Yelp Review

65m - Grant's Dramatic Yelp Reading Debut

68m - Built-in Gratuity

78m - The Shambles - Where'd the Name Come From?

81m - Sour Beer Dinner (Events)

84m - Ben's Plum Wine Does Not Make Him the Closest Winery to the Shambles

86m - Matt Plugs His Bar

Special Acknowledgements / Mentions

Related Articles

Our main base of operations and all our former blogging efforts can be found at We have a dedicated page there which we will keep updated with all relevant links from various episodes: If you've got thoughts on the episodes, comment on the blog or hit us up on Instagram. We will have a Twitter handle up someday, from which we can all watch the world burn.

Hashtag City

#Shambles #Beer #SeattleBeer #EaterSeattle #foodie #SeattleFoodie #Butcher #Meat #Sours #IPAs #HazyIPA #MapleLeaf #Showbox #Savetheshowbox

[05] Imaginary Liz is a Music Blogging Rockstar!

[05] Imaginary Liz is a Music Blogging Rockstar!

August 19, 2018

Imaginary Liz is a music blogging rockstar!

We were so lucky to have Liz Riley Tollefson(Imaginary Liz) of Three Imaginary Girls ( come by. She mesmerized us with story after story about covering Seattle’s rock scene and gave deep advice to Grant on his dating life.

 Liz Tells us stories

A little more from the website:

Three Imaginary Girls is a Seattle-based website that showcases the great music of the Northwest to music lovers worldwide. The site launched in June 2002 to document the show-going escapades of three music fans with boundless enthusiasm for the burgeoning music scene around them.

Since that time, the site has grown to include reviews of albums, live music, film, interviews and more, in Seattle and beyond. The site thrives on constantly discovering and nurturing great new bands and sharing them with the rest of the {imaginary} world.

Three Imaginary Girls have also booked music showcases, contributed to other music publications (including the KEXP blog, Seattle Sound Magazine, Tablet Magazine, and Music for America), and the imaginary editorial staff have made countless guest radio appearances on KEXP 90.3fm and KUOW 94.9fm and have been featured in the pages of The Stranger and the Seattle Weekly.

Three Imaginary Girls were voted “MVP of Seattle Music 2004” by readers of the Seattle Weekly, and were listed in Seattle Magazine’s 2004 Most Influential People issue as well as Seattle Sound’s 2006 Most Influential in Seattle Music issue. One of our founders was crowned a Nerd of Note by Seattle Magazine and we were even mentioned on ESPN and in the pages of Jane magazine and Paste Magazine.

The Website

Ig: @3imaginarygirls

Fb: Three Imaginary Girls

Tw: @3imaginarygirls

Show Notes

Podcasters (Ben, Sean, Grant, Stephen)


3m - Grant's Dating Corner

7m - Grant Reviews Seafair

17m - Ben's Real Estate News

21m - Liz's Sad Contractor Story

26m - Ben's Construction/Contractor Advice

31m - ThreeImaginaryGirls (TIG, for short)

42m - The Meaning Behind the Name

52m - TIG and SIFF

55m - I'll Have a TIG

56m - Liz Knows They Might Be Giants

62m - Liz Tells Us How to Compliment a Musician after a Set


73m - Liz Talks Venues

79m - Why You Need to Follow a Blog for Finding Music

87m - Favorite Music Towns

93m - What's Next for TIG?

97m - Grant's Rapid Fire Round


Special Acknowledgements


The Stranger


Every music venue in Seattle #savetheshowbox


Near the 68th minute, we falsely associate Dave Meinert With Neumos. He is not associated with Neumos. He is, however,  associated with the 5 points cafe, and formerly associated with the Lost Lake Cafe and the Comet Tavern.

Our main base of operations and all our former blogging efforts can be found at We have a dedicated page there which we will keep updated with all relevant links from various episodes: If you've got thoughts on the episodes, comment on the blog or hit us up on Instagram. We will have a Twitter handle up someday, from which we can all watch the world burn.

[04] Ola Normelli - Swedish Actor, International Great Guy

[04] Ola Normelli - Swedish Actor, International Great Guy

August 13, 2018

photo credits to Permafrostmedia in Stockholm (


Our special guest tonight is Ola Normelli, swedish actor and long time friend of Seattle. He teaches us how to act, what America looks like through foreign eyes, and he loves puns.


From his website (


Ola Normelli is an actor based in Gothenburg, Sweden and Seattle, WA. He has been working with productions such as Vår tid är nu/Our time is now (Jarowskij/SVT), En del av mitt hjärta (Unlimited stories/Film i Väst) and Kör Bara/Just do it (Mikaela Hargell).

Besides his acting career, Ola is also a writer and a poet. His forthcoming book; Den enda medicinen (The sole medicine) – a collection of texts, will be published shortly.

Find at more at:


Ola's Website

Ig: @olanormelli


Show Notes

Podcasters (Ben, Stephen)


2m - Ola's Seattle Connection

4m - Getting Started in Acting

8m - Ola in LA

14m - Ola Loves America

16m - Insurance in America

23m - Seattle's Worst Podcast Takes a Bold Stance

26m - Porn Parody Titles

31m - Ola Teaches Us Acting, the Meisner Technique

43m - Ola's Fascinating Stage Work, Murder Mysteries

54m - Ben's Been to Sweden, Got a Compliment

59m - Everybody’s Got Nazis

67m - How Do You Discuss Trump, Issues with Hard Right People

81m - Guns

90m - We Can't Stop Talking about Swedish Politics

93m - Oprah

96m - Ben and Ola Do Geography Puns

100m - Ola Makes a Commitment

103m - Ola's Biggest Moment, Matt Dillon

107m - Ola Plugs Stuff

111m - Ola Reads Us a Poem


Special Acknowledgements -

Conscious Eatery -

Permafrost Media -

Our main base of operations and all our former blogging efforts can be found at We have a dedicated page there which we will keep updated with all relevant links from various episodes: If you've got thoughts on the episodes, comment on the blog or hit us up on Instagram. We will have a Twitter handle up someday, from which we can all watch the world burn. 

[03] Leif Whitman, Fish Cop, Fishmonger

[03] Leif Whitman, Fish Cop, Fishmonger

August 6, 2018

Hey, look at us! We have our first guest, Leif Whitman, a former fish cop and a current fishmonger. We ask him dumb questions about fish, he answers those questions, rates the fishes, we all get a bit drunk, then it is over.

To Support Leif's business and sustainable fishing practices, support his friend's business, Also, don't eat bluefin tuna. 

1m - Leif, Fish Cop Stories
17m - How do you know if something is overfished?
23m - Where should you get your seafood?
29m - Ben met Dan Savage one time
33m - What's Black about Black Cod/What's a fishmonger's favorite fish?
42m - How do you feel about David Chang?
45m - Stephen defends a thing (for better or worse)
46m - Fishmonger Seattle Food Recommendation #1
49m - That big Sushi/Mexican place in Wallingford, what's that about?
55m - Fishmonger Seattle Food Recommendation #2
59m - Everyone gives a podcast recommendation
63m - Ben gets autotune
67m - DSA Stuff (Democratic Socialists of America)
72m - Everything Bacon
85m - How to cook halibut
87m - The fish workers purchase Pike Place's fish market
92m - Our first guest plugs a thing 

Thanks for listening. Do it again next time!

Our main base of operations and all our former blogging efforts can be found at We have a dedicated page there which we will keep updated with all relevant links from various episodes: If you've got thoughts on the episodes, comment on the blog or hit us up on Instagram. We will have a Twitter handle up someday, from which we can all watch the world burn.

[02] Don’t Ask A Scientist

[02] Don’t Ask A Scientist

July 30, 2018

We might have gotten too drunk. Some great discussion though!

Podcasters - Stephen, Grant, Sean, Ben

1m - Grant in Alaska
12m - Ben B, Mosquito Man
14m - Grant's Dating Corner, Alaska Edition
19m - Seattle Freeze
25m - Sports Corner - World Cup
31m - The Most Seattle Moment
32m - Limebikes Super Discussion
47m - Roots @ Zootunes, Prime Card Corporate Subsidies
52m - The Russian Stuff, from Alaska
54m - Ben's Seattle Real Estate Corner
60m - Mom's Who Smoke a Lot of Pot
63m - Alex Jones, Cernovich, The First Amendment
71m - Seattle Food Discussion, The Burning Beast
75m - Does Everyone in Seattle Like Good Food?
79m - Parents as Casualties of the City
88m - Best Banh Mis in Seattle
94m - Grant's Hot Alaskan Sandwich Recommendation
95m - Sean's Sandwich Hole

Our main base of operations and all our former blogging efforts can be found at We have a dedicated page there which we will keep updated with all relevant links from various episodes: If you've got thoughts on the episodes, comment on the blog or hit us up on Instagram. We will have a Twitter handle up someday, from which we can all watch the world burn.


[01] Soundcheck #3

[01] Soundcheck #3

July 24, 2018

Welcome to our third and hopefully final sound check. Grant is on vacation. Stephen, Ben, & Sean talk about the world.


1m- Trump Committed Treason yesterday

3m- The Heat in Seattle

5m- When did Elon Musk Get So Bad

10m- Papa Johns Has Always Been Bad

17m- Who is America by Sacha Baron Cohen

23m- Can You Agree with Trump and Be a Good Person

33m- Rural America, Republicans, & the Radio

38m- Millenials are Great

46m-Stephen Puts Oklahoma on Blast

48m-Homelessness in Seattle, Low Income Housing Update

54m-Ben's Real Estate Update

Our main base of operations and all our former blogging efforts can be found at We have a dedicated page there which we will keep updated with all relevant links from various episodes: If you've got thoughts on the episodes, comment on the blog or hit us up on Instagram. We will have a Twitter handle up someday, from which we can all watch the world burn.